Only at the right time and with the right type of persons.

No matter what arsenal fans may argue now, the simple fact of the matter is that this is in many ways a trial season.

If Le Boss has another unsuccessful season he will very much be called into questinon. And the same goes for the whole arsenal takeover issue, will the board be force to consider the fat russian?

Whatever happens, this season will have serious consequences, not leat for the board and the boss

You do not understand how the world is changing at all and the simple answer to your question is: No, it's more likely that the billionaire owners like Abrmamovic and these Arabs will pack up and go once the rules change. The rules will not allow a club with a turnover of 100m to buy players for 150m. Wages will be curbed. Remember also, when five billionaire club owners fight each other to buy success, eventually they get tired of it because the income never matches the expenditure. No profits, no success, what do you do? You sell and go! That's what Abramovic will do if Man City becomes the top club in the EPL. The same will happen with Usmanov if he took over Arsenal. He would eventually cut and run and leave the club in trouble. Remember these guys are not in football for the love of the club or the sport, only for their egos. Go think about your theory again, it's not sound.

Can't say I'd want Usmanov raping our club....

ADUGs first choice was to buy Arsenal but they withdrew because "it was complicated". Exactly what that means is anyones guess. However, i beleive this squad just needs to win and they will be a dominant force. For all of Chelseas millions, over 800 to date, they one zip last year with lets face it some top class players. A team needs ballance and wenger is a master at it. The concern is not wether we can win, i believe we can, it's can we pay high enough wages to retain the team. For that we don't need a huge investment but we do need some investment and i hope it comes from an Arsenal fan.

No - the likelihood is that the board will still oppose such a move and, eventually, FIFA will impose restrictions on the way clubs are run.

The game needs it. I'm not saying this out of any kind of jealousy but pragmatism - for the international game to grow and survive in it's current form clubs will have to operate within the limits of their fiscal means - basically a proportion of their net income for wages. This will prevent the current squeeze of grade A stars being weighted towards the elite of 3 leagues in the world - Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man City in PL, Barca and Real in La Liga and Juve, Inter and Milan in Serie A.

It's an inevitability and one we seem to be prepared for.

Takeover is not inevitable.

Were we to go down that route then I believe that someone like quiet Stan will get first bite.

Fat & Orange Holdings have nothing to offer Arsenal FC now or in the future, unless its to ensure Champioship football within 5 years of a takeover. As for any other wealthy investors, they need to prove themselves over a period of years to be offered the chance.

I dont care about the others clubs with all that money, yes i would like to see Arsenal sign more bigger named players. But at the end of the day I am not worried about playing Chelski, never was, weve take points of them before and will do so again, same goes to Man City, i aint scared fo playing them, we will take points off them and they will us as they have doen beforee. At the end of the day they can only feild 11 players.

It makes me proud to be an Arsenla fan knowing the board are English and we a soley owned English Club. I agree one day these billionaiores will do one and leave clubs in turmoil, providing we still are English owned we wont ever face that problem and we can go back to the good old days of Arsenal, Man Utd title contenders and perhaps a club liek pompey in the mix.....

Just wait a few years, Glory will come back to Highbury House.

totally agree these people are not real football men its just a toy to them they will get bored the new rules will come in soon its the Arsenal way or no way keep the faith Arsene knows

I quite agree with LB, we do not need to spend like Chelski, and now, man city to compete. Liverpool did it and they've still not won the league. In fact they won the champions league without spending like the've done in the past 2 seasons. Fergie's approach for manure is quite admirable though. Sensible buys, adding only Berbatov this season to complete a formidable attack.
That said, i do believe that we need to get experienced players. We can get these guys cheap. Our scouts and manager needs to work harder in that area. 6 million can get us great players! A balance between experience and youth will take us back to the "Glory" days of 2002!!

I don't think we should compare ourselves to city or Chelsea because the reasons for their takeover were completely different to the reasons why Usmanov and Kronke want in at arsenal in the sense that they are play things for the owners and they have no intention of ever making a profit. I think that we should compare our situation more with United or even Villa. The americans in charge of these clubs are looking at the business side and recognize the need for a long term investment (which is often misconstrued as love for the club).

In our case you have to hope that David dein has the best interests of the club at heart and that if the board sell they will not just look for the biggest offer but rather the best long-term plan and the suitability of the owner. I imagine that this is Kronke but i'm only going on what i've heard and my own western Xenophobia.

One thing is for sure though, Top level english football is going through another major change and these are going to be some testing times for fans. I for one am not sure whether i can tolerate watching Arabian Oil City vs Russian Gas Blues.

"there are no football fans anymore, just sports consumers." Irvine Welsh

Anybody else but not usamanov, or any other russian,
Stan Kronke will do just fine.

What needs to happen is what Wenger was talking about last week. UEFA needs to impose some kind of structure that forces clubs to operate within their means as a business. Which means the money you spend on players comes from: ticket sales, players sales, TV revenue, merchandising and the like. The only thing a new owner should be able to spend his money on are things like infrastructure and promotion of the team.

The only way I can see our club being sold is if, our club fail to finish in the top 4, as the current board wont be able to manage the current debts.
Man City now seem to have a lot of money, but to finish in the top four, I cant see it happening in the next few seasons as they will need to build a squad.
By that time I expect our current board to be tempted into cashing in.
Football is changing, and not for the better as players getting more greedy, as the money been thrown about in wages is getting mad (Man city quote £200,000 pw for Ronaldo, Fabs or Torres).
Uefa will step in as british football will be too dominate, as the money in the Prem will start getting out of hand.

A full takeover is not going to happen at Arsenal. AW and the Board know that the inevitable will happen i.e. FIFA will rule that clubs in mega debt will be omitted from such competitions as the Champions League.

I for one would personally like to see the in debt premiership clubs with foreign, billionaire owners fcuk off and start their own league, could be called the "Billionaire Fantasy League", and it could be based in the middle of Siberia!
The only thing that keeps the billionairs interest is the money grabbing attitude of many players. Look at Robinho for example, why the fcuk would he join Man City from Real Madrid!! 200k a week is why. If footballers had any moral interest in their sport they should boycott these farcical clubs....for gods sake is it really that bad only being paid 50k a week for living most young boys dreams!!

Fcuk billionaire owners
Fcuk greedy players
Bring in crazy Platini's rules
Save Football...

I think we need to distinguish between those Billionaires who own clubs as play-things (i.e. Abramovich and by the sounds of it the Arabs) and those who buy them as an investment to add to their portfolio (i.e. Gillette & Hicks and The Glazers).

Clearly if a large number of clubs end up with Abramovich type owners who are prepared to throw away £70mil a year on subsidising a club that spends more than it earns then we will have a problem.

We are a club that earns £200mil a year and spends £200mil a year. Chelsea are a club that earns £200mil a year and spends £270mil a year. Each year Abramovich writes them a £70mil cheque and makes a personal loan to the club to cover the shortfall.

It is a bizarre situation which makes our life increasingly difficult. However, until we see the Arabs in action I don't know if this is the way they intend to go. I hope it isn't.

Liverpool's owners were initially welcomed. Everyone thought they would invest some of their billions to build a new stadium, bolster the squad and grow the club. However, I don't think there was ever any pretence that they would write-off the money they put into the club. These men do not see Liverpool as a play-thing. They see it as a business. We have nothing to fear from them or the Glazers or Randy Lerner or Mike Ashley.

i think it's silly to think that if we don't spend big then we can't competew in the long run.

the superstars of the world all have to come from somewhere, you don't magically just buy them when you have the money, they all had to come through systems like ajax's as one of the best examples.

in the process of having a brilliant academy you can see to it that at least a few players with really massive potential can come through here and there like we're seeing now with players like wilshere and barazite. if we have a good and young team now then when the time comes for a couple of our currently great players to move on we will have replacements waiting from our own system. it's exactly what's being done right now. why would we buy a player who has been so likened to fabregas in merida? it's trying to ensure that if for example our spanish make sure

It does seem a bit inevitable, but hopefully the rules will change a bit so it won't be such an issue. I'd rather Kroenke than Usmanov anyday though. Those investors are idiots, look at the money pumped into Real Madrid and Chelsea, and those clubs still end seasons empty handed. I don't want a prick like Robinho at Arsenal.

Just look at liverpool as prime example of why not to sell out. 2 stupid americans with no idea about football, want to join the premiership owners club, and then make an almighty hash of it. 30m on Torres, 20m on Keane, and they're by no means going to win the premiership. Just like robinho will soon get sick of getting kicked around for 38 games and playing second fiddle to united!

I hope all the billionaires just clear off, and see where that leaves Europes elite (Man U, Chavs, Liverpool, City!)

Get used to it Gooners the club is going to be taken over, probably by Usmanov. The Man City deal has changed the landscape and, whilst I agree with LB's comment that the billionaires will eventually get bored, it won't happen for a few years yet. ADUG have a new toy and they are going to play with it. Roman isn't leaving the UK just yet. Even if we keep on growing our own players the pressure on our wage bill will become unbearable.

You might wonder why the current Arsenal shareholders would sell. I suspect that several of them have wanted to sell for some time now - Fiszman in particular as he has moved to Switzerland; and Nina Bracewell Smith who does not appear to like football. It's just a question of waiting for the moment of peak value. They were relying on the housing developments to pay down the stadium debt which would maximise the club's value. With the housing crash they will now be making a lot less than they hoped. The longer they hold the shares the greater the risk of their value slipping with the housing market. So I'll be putting a few quid on a takeover when the lock in expires next year.

The problem with the housing developments also means less cash available for the football club. That undermines the viability of a billionaire-free future. It's not looking pretty Gooners.

---that should our spanish masterclass leave that we alreayd have a similar player to come in and take his place.

sure you're unlikely to have a whole team full of former academy players and you have to buy sometimes, but you don't have to buy big or pay big. the whole reason why these players these clubs cost so much is because people are prepared to pay those ridiculous sums for them. but the unknown players don't have the pretencious price tags associated with them and thus don't cost anything like as much. do you think if ronaldo was totally unknown doing the same stuff but in a very weak league that people would estimate such a high value? and before anyone says yes, what about eduardo then? the guy was a monstrously good goalscorer, but he was unknown and so he was costed only half (or less) or what his ability deserves. such players will always exist and as long as we are using our eyes and looking rather than just checking the other top teams for their great players then we will never have to fork out ridiculous sums for quality players- and in the process we don't need a billionaire.

I would love to see an Arsenal able to go and spend rediculous amounts of money to gain these exciting players but, this isn't going to happen...thankfully! Let me explain...

Arsenal would need billionaire backing to do this, which means a takeover of some sort, which means, in turn, that the club would non longer be a self sustainable business and reliant on money from a seperate source.

Can you see Chelsea being owned by Abramovich in 20 years? I can't, and I believe that some time between now and then Chelsea will be without their billionaire owner. This will be castastrophic for Chelsea as a football club and financially for obvious reasons.

Whereas, Arsenal are a self sustainable business, and this is something we will never have to worry about. As long as we're buying players for peanuts and turning them into world beaters I'm a happy man.

Remember gooners, Chelsea bought Shevchenko for £30m and he was terrible. If Wenger had bought Villa for £25m this summer and he endured the same fate we would all be slating him for wasting the club's valuable money.

Remember when we had players like David Hillier? Now we're spoilt watching Fabregas, Van Persie et al...

It's not all doom and gloom boys and girls. But some 'fans' need to put things in perspective instead of sulking because we've failed to sign any players. At least give Diaby a chance to play in his preferred position for once.

Unthinkable? It's down to the board to either put themselves before the good of the club or do a "Ken Bates" and admit they have taken the Club as far as it can go and others can take the Club way beyond their capabilities. We hear the Board say that their policies are for the good of the club, a very clever statement, of course it is in it's current state, but there is an option that would fast track Arsenal to financial security and footballing equality with the you know who's. "At what risk?" I hear, the same risk as Man U took when the Glazers took charge don't see their fans complaining now, back to back titles and a Champions League and look at Chelski back to back titles, FA Cup and a CL final. It's a new era and the present board can't compete with the mega rich, time the directors moved on and faced a new challenge in there lives and at least give the club a chance in fulfilling every Gooners dream in seeing Arsenal win the Champions league. Reality is if we carry on the way we are we will slide into footballing mediocrity and be known as a selling club, we are not far off a selling club now in truth.

This is ridiculous, Whatever happens i hope we remain part of the big four, I can't imagine Man city playing in the Champs lig and Arsenal in the Uefa cup, GOD HAVE MERCY FIRST CHELSEA AND NOW THIS!

What can a billionaire bring to the club? Debts and more debts. Lets analyse the situation with Usmanov. He is reputed to be worth USD2b. Most of it tied up in assets. If he were to buy Arsenal, like the pther billionaires, he would have to borrow. He is not going to sell all his assets and pump the entire money into the club. He will hock the club assets to the hilt. Abramovich and the Arabs are cash rich. Abromovich sold most of his Russian assets. Any other billionaire will need to borrow at least USD 1b to buy the club. In this current financial scenario, that is not going to happen. Liverpool are in deep shit with their billionaires; no money to build the stadium. So foreget the billionaires, think of Real and Barca. Commercial independence is what Arsene and the Board seeks for the long term prosperity of the club.

I just don't see the billionaire model as a sustainable one. It's the death of football. The total money for winning the Champions League is less than the £34M Citeh paid for Robinho. If Chelsea spends £120M a year, and every club does the same, there is no business model that can justify that level of expenditures.

As an Australian 17 year old I can't say i know much about the Arsenal Board, Economics or the EPL's economic trends but I would just like to commonet on the optimism on this page.

It is great to see Arsenal fans voicing why they love Arsenal and why they don't want their club run as some 'play toy' or as just a business. It seems to me that Arsenal supporters should be this optimistic in relation to our chances this year, which despite a lack of signings is still very good.

Arsenal are the last of the great English clubs still standing, the rest sold their souls for 30 pieces of silver

The board must stand firm and not allow the club to participate in the death-march of English football.

And when the wretched carcass of Premiership has fallen to the deepest depths, Arsenal with rise like a pheonix and lead the way

As it stands Arsenal may have to fight the battle alone, as the Evertons and Spurs' scurry around for their very own oligarch

....and if that changes, I may have to turn my back on the club I once knew.

I just don't see the billionaire model as a sustainable one. It's the death of football. The total money for winning the Champions League is less than the £34M Citeh paid for Robinho. If Chelsea spends £120M a year, and every club does the same, there is no business model that can justify that level of expenditures.

What a breath of fresh air ADUG will be for the EPL and for Europe. They are worth 1 trillion dollars. You read that correctly. They are scaring the piss out of all the billionaire owners and billionaire owner wannabes because they will not be able to compete for the 'best' players. If you are only a millionaire, you better look at a Championship team to buy. Usmanov and Kroenke are not 'rich' to buy Arsenal. Even ADUG stayed away from Arsenal because it was 'complicated'. How about the fact that no one at Arsenal is on the street corner w/ a tin cup. We will never be as long as Wenger is at the club. Suddenly even Abramovich had to blink when he didn't come up w/ another 8mil for Robinho.

Arsenal will not be affected by this new player because we shop in the "dollar" stores. We don't buy "galacticos", we make them. Adebayor has shown he can be weak when tempted but Fabregas has shown he has the moral fortitude to resist the siren call. Man City maybe the new 800lb gorilla in a paler shade of blue but it still has to put more balls into the net than its opponents.

In a world sanity money does not rule the world yes it makes things go round. The end justifies the mean let the economist of the team look into the future without much mistakes to greater height. we should not follow the band wagon of 2moro debtors to fix the best team ARSENAL in the league of debtors. Le boss is simply good let them do greater things to always keep ARSENAL ahead of others

There is only so much money can do. There is a saturation level afterwhich money does not help. You can only field 11 players at one time. Winning 10-0 or 1-0 still gets you 3 points. A collection of superstars does not mean they will gel as a unit. At Arsenal, players play as a team, the Arsenal way and the whole team is the superstar. Its not easy to play the Arsenal way, which is why Arsene trains them when they are young. Henry, and most ex Arsenal players seem to play poorly in other teams/clubs, because they are use to the Arsenal way.

"Arsenal has its own billionaire businessmen reportedly waiting in the wings to pour hundreds of millions of pounds into the club, in the shape of Uzbeki oligarch Alisher Usmanov (now the club’s biggest shareholder) and American sports mogul Stan Kroenke."

Wrong.

Hi Andri. Why do you think that's wrong? Do you think they are hoping to acquire the club for a few quid and a packet of fags?
Buying Arsenal outright would cost close to £700 million now - if that's not hundreds of millions of pounds, I dunno what is...

Right!

Younggun, I agree with you for most of your comments. But Robinho was desperate to leave Madrid because they did not appreciate him at all. Look at the way they wanted Ronaldo so much that they expressed their readines to sell Robinho!

I say that if someone wants to buy our club they should have to do 2 things.

1: assure the fans that they won't put the club into massive debt.

2: do a Q&A session with a huge room full of proper Arsenal fans.

Someone should only be permitted to take over if it is in the best interest of the club, not their own image or for profit.

the day arsenal sell their soul and join the club of billionaires and start buying teams il go support barnet! i prefer being competitive, clubs have worked hard for 30 years to build up stadiums squads ,club names, fan bases ,everything ,then in a few days some rich blokes comes and supplies the lot at a shythole like chavski or city ,its not sport! before the take over at chelsea or city wat was the difference between them and our club apart from good decisions by the board? a manager who cared about the clubs finances as much as the team,thats all!

that fella bought man city because they were so cheap,they dont even own their own stadium!

man city dont even own their own football stadium! thats why abou diaby bought them because they were cheap,so much for the 100 billiob dollar bulldozer!

fucking hell my comments are taking ages to post! why dont abou diaby buy bt broadband too and fix this problem

21st century football teams/clubs or richmans play things will this end in tears with some clubs going to the wall when the fat cat no emotional ties to a club types see that football isnt their thing anymore how many billionaires can the prem league accomodate? the answer while football is the flavour tired of horse racing then buy a premeir league club.hopefully your team will hold out and not become a billionaires plaything/staus symbol

I would be truely gutted if that fat uzbeki bastard took over. If that were to happen, I think wenger would leave the club. maybe not. even if the funds were given to wenger he would most probably not spend it.

The rules pertaining to club ownership, transfer fees and wages have to be addressed and quickly or we will end up in the mad house with the billionaires.
It is not just the Premier League but the whole of Europe that is involved. The sport which gives so much happiness to so many must be protected.

anybody with fat wallet is badly wanted to salvage Arsenal as we are in transition of a different era. Money game.

We dont need a sugar daddy!Our club is run as a business and as soon as Platini's new rule comes in we will be laughing.

GOONERS DONT WORRY TO MUCH WE STILL B TOPS

I would rather Kroenke take over then the russian mafia man Usmanov. All i want from them is to

1) Wipe out club debts not add to them (Manure and Liverpoo)
2) Give Wenger a transfer budget which he can use as he sees fit and with no one forced into him

Without a club debt the owner could long term easily get their money back and a healthy profit. Wenger can buy whoever he wants and more importantly keep players he wants.

christ, all these twats out there, "arsene lied to us", "we never signed anyone", "we shouldn't have moved stadium", "we should get a billionaire like city", "the nurses are taking my money"... at the end of the day we were a few points away from the EPL and good luck is all we need. we play the best football in the world on our day, i know fans of other clubs who think we are fantastic. people who want to be more like chelski (who are the most hated team around) should really just support them. we are the best, we play the best, and when we score goals that no other team can you should be proud. with a bit of luck in tight games and with injuries there is no limit to what we can do, I only wish our fans were more proud of our team.

I seriously hope arsenal don't sell out to the Russian billionaire, as a life long arsenal supporter. I'd rather see young unknowns turning into superstars at arsenal then having the club raped by a Russian billionaire. The EPL is turning into a billionaire playground and football as we know it is changing...for the worse in my opinion. i just hope FIFA step up to their responsibilities and start introducing some rules. I mean look at Manure United...massive debts,so much so they can't even pay the interest they owe, yet they still manage t find 30m+ to buy Berbatov. Hello is it just me or is something wrong here?

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